Corry Robinson TONIGHT at Revival Church

Expect a piercing prophetic message of revival by Corry Robinson TONIGHT at Revival Church!

imageCorry Robinson was with Pastor Joe Sazyc this morning and I received the following texts:

“Brother, I’m BURNING! Something’s gonna happen tonight!”

“Prophetic exploding! Bodies all over the floor.”

“I’m telling you. There is something powerful and REAL about this guy!”

Burning intercession begins at 5pm tonight and the night of fire begins at 6pm!

Check this out from Corry:

We are entering a time of true demarcation! Those who don’t really know Jesus from the place of intimacy will EXHAUST THEMSELVES with worthless attempts of self glorification. They may have big building programs and big MEDIA HYPE and big crowds; but at the end of the day, their works will be counted as ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Presence of the ONLY ONE WORTHY of all those things. And the world will know the difference: those who will settle for hype will have NO SUBSTANCE, while those who are wholehearted will have THE NAME OF GOD written on their assemblies-the Name that carries more weight than anything in the UNIVERSE!!! I said all of that to say to those who embrace the life of simplistic wholeheartedness,  ”Continue to embrace the place of obscurity; and at the right time, THE LORD HIMSELF will raise you up-AND YOU WON’T HAVE TO SPEND MILLIONS FOR HIM TO DO IT! Just continue to spend your time wisely!

Corry is the founder of FireBrand Worship, a music ministry that emphasizes passionate, wholehearted devotion to Jesus Christ particularly through music. He has been referenced by some as one who ‘releases the trumpet sound of the Lord’ through spontaneous prophetic worship. Corry also founded the Orlando Night Of Worship (Orlando N.O.W.!), which seeks to gather worship leaders, intercessors, singers and musicians in the Central Florida area for monthly 8-hour ‘nightwatch’ gatherings that focus on cultivating intimate worship and intercession, and to equip individuals through teaching on intimacy with Jesus. Corry has a deep burden to see God raise up Nazarites out of the inner-cities to become burning and shining lamps, who will stand and hear the voice of the Lord, and herald the message of the Coming Bridegroom God.
Corry has served as a worship leader in a local church since 1998. He and his wife Lakisha live in Orlando, Florida.

CORRY ROBINSON AT THECALL

Here’s a video of Corry praying at TheCall Detroit: http://youtu.be/K2KDh5spVOc 

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Two extremely special announcements regarding the Detroit revival movement

theLab Events have launched! Monthly meetings begin in partnership with The Crossing and Revival Church next month!

imageConsider this quote by Evan Roberts, the hero of the Welsh Revival, as he shares the simple formula for revival:

"Congregate the people who are willing to make a total surrender. Pray and wait. Believe God’s promises. Hold daily meetings.”

We are taking serious steps to fulfill this simple yet costly mandate.

CORRY ROBINSON AT REVIVAL CHURCH THIS SUNDAYimage

FIRST: This Sunday night at Revival Church, Corry Robinson will be releasing prophetic decrees and sharing dreams he has had regarding Detroit. Prayer begins at 5pm and the service is at 6pm.

Corry has a deep burden to see God raise up Nazarites out of the inner-cities to become burning and shining lamps, who will stand and hear the voice of the Lord, and herald the message of the Coming Bridegroom God.

Watch a video HERE.

REVIVAL CHURCH MEETS AT CENTRAL CHURCH, 1529 E. 12 MILE RD, MADISON HEIGHTS, MI 48071.

REVIVAL FIRES: MONTHLY REVIVAL EVENTS BEGINNING MARCH 2ND

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I have had a clear vision for a monthly regional revival strategy in Detroit since I arrived. theLab Prayer Events and theLab School of Fire were the first two pieces of this mandate, and now theLab Events are sponsoring BRAND NEW monthly revival events! The monthly event is called simply REVIVAL FIRES. That’s the purpose of our sounding the alarm and gathering the people.

Brian Simmons felt extremely impressed that monthly meetings hosted by The Crossing and Revival Church were critical, and that we should be prepared for extended meetings. The spirit of revival is here!

With our great friends Pastors Randy and Deb O’Dell at The Crossing Church in Farmington, theLab and Revival Church will be serving this great vision the first Friday of every month.

March 2nd we will be at The Crossing in Farmington for a powerful revival service, led by the Revival Church worship team, and then we will remain and launch into theLab Prayer Event there from 10pm-midnight.

We will be releasing and activating the 10 Principles of Finney’s Revival that Brian Simmons wrote about on The Elijah List. You can see that article here: http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=9184

You can go to www.atthecrossing.com for a map and directions to The Crossing.

Ready to join the movement? Want to learn more? Revival Company Info Meeting tonight

Join the movement! Tonight after the service get all the info at the monthly Revival Company Info Meeting!

RevivalCompany500x300 Revival Company Info Meeting this Sunday after the service at Revival ChurchDo you have questions about the culture and mission at Revival Church?

THIS SUNDAY immediately after the service you will have a blast meeting our team and learning about the wild vision at Revival Church!

The meeting will last an hour and you will have the opportunity to ask questions and discover how you can connect relationally and in ministry. We can’t wait to get to know you better and help you connect at Revival Church!

(The Info Meeting usually occurs on the first Sunday of the month, but due to our special event last week the meeting was postponed until today.)

Live free from offense forever : Audit theLab class Becoming Unoffendable Saturday at 10am

Audit Becoming Unoffendable at theLab Saturday from 10am-2pm : $25

theLabXPad222x270Tomorrow (Saturday) at 10am we will witness people breaking free from offense, bitterness & rejection at theLab!

The cost is only $25. You can pay at the door or online at www.revivallab.com/payment.

People that know me know that it’s almost impossible to offend me. This is possible because of the power of Jesus Christ!

It’s a wonderful, joyful thing to live in the midst of typical assaults, rejection, cruel words and other attacks with a smile on your face!

You will experience powerful prayer, personal ministry and teaching that will set you wildly free!

See you tomorrow at 10am at theLab!

Revival Church & theLab meet at CENTRAL CHURCH, 1529 E. 12 Mile Rd, Madison Heights, MI 48071.

Photos & video: I can’t imagine any revival hungry person in the Detroit region missing this

It landed again. The spirit of revival exploded onto the scene in Detroit last night!

imageI honestly can’t imagine any revival hungry person in the Detroit region missing these services! Watch the video HERE!

imageWe had people from Wisconsin, Chicago, Toledo and other places make the trip just to experience the revival fire that has been lit in Detroit!

I’m barely able to function as my eyes attempt to focus on the blazing glory in front of me. Obliterating the old, and experiencing something new. The glory is hitting the earth. They had to carry me out of the mtg last nite. That hasn’t happened to me for many years.~Brian Simmons

I was consumed by the glory of God myself all night long. Leading a meeting under such a strong influence of new wine is a site to behold! Then, when I was in the foyer one of my heavily anointed staff comes over and touches me… and I was done. I crashed. The anointing was so intense, and so new, that I collapsed. I’m still carrying that glory right now as I type this.

IT CONTINUES TONIGHT AT REVIVAL CHURCH

I’ll say it again, if you live within 2-3 hours of Detroit, and you are hungry for God, hungry for revival, it just wouldn’t make any sense to stay home today. If you think the Super Bowl is a better alternative, I have done a tragically poor job of revealing to you the level of God’s glory that arrived in the city last night. We cannot treat this arrival of the King casually. His Royalty is here!

imageJoin with us at 5pm at Revival Church for an hour of prayer that will shock you to your core. Then, at 6pm, Catherine Mullins and Brian Simmons will be taking us further into the burnings of revival!

Revival Church meets at CENTRAL CHURCH, 1529 E. 12 Mile Rd, Madison Heights, MI 48071.

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What racial problems in Detroit? : The most important event

The most important event of the week is NOT our Sunday service.

slide2-900x580As much as I LOVE Sunday night services at Revival Church (and, yes, I mean LOVE!), they are not the most important events of the week.

For those that are interested in city-wide revival, transformation and real unity there is no match for Friday night’s prayer events that travel the city of Detroit.

*Tonight is extremely special. After Catherine Mullins and Brian Simmons minister the fire of revival at The Crossing (the conference starts at 6:30pm), we’ll take over and continue in burning groans and cries of intercession!

10pm TONIGHT: The Crossing 31590 Grand River Ave.Farmington MI, 48336

theLab Friday Prayer Events—A movement unlike any other

theLab is an apostolic and prophetic movement in the Detroit region that is working WONDERS. In fact, it has been so powerful that a school of ministry has been birthed out of it! theLab School of Fire is shocking and rocking a lot of zealous, emerging history makers!

Since January, 2011 theLab has been in around 50 different churches in the Detroit region. That means that 50 churches have been rocked by the life and fire of the Holy Spirit in unusual fashion.

The grace that’s on this movement is remarkable. Astonishing. The call is for EVERY pastor, leader, intercessor, revivalist and burning man and woman of God in Detroit to gather together every Friday night from 10pm-midnight. This is a city movement of fire for the entire city church of Detroit. I’m sounding the alarm. Who will respond?

Joel 1:14 – The Message® (MSG)
Declare a holy fast, call a special meeting, get the leaders together, Round up everyone in the country. Get them into God’s Sanctuary for serious prayer to God.

What racial problems in Detroit?

Since before I moved to Detroit I’ve heard about the severe racial tension that plagues this region.

Since a growing team of burning revivalists and I have been traveling the city every Friday night for over a year, both in urban and suburban churches, my testimony is:

I sense no racial tension whatsoever. None.

We pray in fire together. We love God together. Black. White. There is unity. There is no division. NONE.

And, it’s extremely easy. No working things out. No focus on past racial violations. Just freedom.

Off the Radar

I know what you are probably thinking. I’m not seeing all of the other churches and ministries that are steeped in division and racial strife.

I know they are out there, but the prophetic word is this:

They are off the radar.

The next move of God that is drawing very near in Detroit DOES NOT include them—unless they simply repent, pray, humble themselves and join the movement of revival in Detroit.

Repentance will put them right back on the radar of God’s city church mission in Detroit. It’s that easy.

I will make this as clear as I can—division, jealousy, bitterness and resistance in any form, whether it’s racial, theological, relational or otherwise will take us off the radar. We will miss the outpouring. The fear of the Lord should be striking every one of us right now.

Those who are divisive and resistant are simply being replaced by a fresh army of revivalists and a new city church of power in Detroit.

I believe the days of attempting to unite the old guard in Detroit is over. Seeking cohesion between the pastors here is an honorable mission, but that season is coming to an end as a willing remnant takes their place. This simply means that the mission is switching from reconciliation to advance. It’s time to take steps.

The good news is that at any time, those off the radar can willingly step right back onto it. It’s that easy. But, the pillar of fire is moving, so they better do it quickly.

Tonight at Revival Church: An army of burning warriors gathering in the glory of God

Tepid, predictable, typical church experiences are fading fast, and an army of warriors are rallying together in the midst of God’s glory!

Our Sunday experiences have been nothing short of spectacular.

Everybody is encouraged to begin the night with us in an atmosphere of prayer that will ignite a fire in your bones every Sunday at 5pm.

The Bible tells us that the church is not a house of teaching, a house of friends, a house of evangelism or even a house of worship. It’s a house of prayer for all nations.

This is why everything we do at Revival Church is birthed and facilitated in deep, zealous intercession, decrees and declarations. Detroit is being prepared for a massive outpouring that will shake the church!

LAUNCH!

With this in mind, we launch the revival rocket at 5:55pm by gathering at the altar in aggressive revival prayer, and then move into prophetic worship for the next hour or so.

Last week we didn’t leave the building until 11:30pm as God was absolutely rocking us! Gold dust and the extremely weighty, tangible glory kept coming like powerful waves. I expect more of the same tonight!

Tonight I’m continuing my teaching on Dreamcoat and fully expect everybody in the house to experience freedom from fear and rejection as we explode into confidence and mission advance!

See you tonight!

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7 Key Points: Unbelief and skepticism regarding signs and wonders, gold dust, angels, etc.

The church is crying out for a new thing, yet when something new manifests a common reaction is suspicion and unbelief.

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What’s your first reaction when you hear about gold dust, gold teeth, oil manifesting on people, healings, angelic visitations, trances, Third Heaven encounters, etc.? Joyous belief or skeptical reservation?

Let’s have an open discussion about signs, wonders, miracles and manifestations. It’s a burning hot can of worms that is only going to get hotter and messier. God is going to offend our expectation and our intellects as he invades our comfort zones and destructs human controlled systems.

EXPECTATION VS. EXPECTANCY

God is moving the church from a place of expectation to an culture of expectancy. What’s the difference? It’s simply yet profound. An expectation has a pre-determined outcome attached to it. For example, I have an expectation that the sun is going to set tonight. There’s a clear and definable reality that should certainly come to pass.

Expectancy is quite different. It’s open ended yet very powerful and all consuming. It’s often ambiguous, nebulous. What we sense is coming goes beyond our ability to define and contain it in our narrow constructs.

So, to have an expectation means that we impose limits and boundaries on what we want to see done. But, expectancy opens us up to anything and everything that God might want to do. We have a resounding “yes” in our spirits even though what’s coming is well beyond our realm of understanding or imagination.

Ephesians 3:20-21 (ESV) 20 Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

At Revival Church and theLab School of Fire we’ve been experiencing undeniable wonders such as gold dust appearing on people, anointing oil coming out of people’s hands, a visible mist of God’s presence, angelic activity and more. I’m sure there has been a gut reaction of doubt and skepticism by many who read about it.

I believe God is lovingly testing and preparing us for the greater glory that’s coming. He wants to see how we will react when he does something new and unusual. Will the first reaction be skepticism and suspicion? Will we attribute what’s happening to him or his arch enemy, Satan? Or, will we be fueled by such expectancy that faith and belief is our immediate reaction?

Check out this email I received this morning from a close friend who’s a student at ministry school:

John,
I must admit I’ve been extremely skeptical about your Facebook reports of gold dust.  People so desire the Lord move in their midst they will imagine many things.  I mean, what’s the purpose of gold dust anyway.  Apparently, you can’t collect it and take it to the bank.  It just disappears after a while.

People can react to a song or phrase in a fleshly manifestation when nothing is actually happening.  Although I think we must stay on guard against such things, something happened this morning that has radically shifted my thinking.

During admin time before moving into the prayer room this morning, a woman in the back of the room started laughing uncontrollably.  After a short time of ministry to her, they took her out in the hall and continued with announcements. 

A minute later, a young woman across the aisle from me started trembling and weeping.  The girl next to her said, "There’s oil dripping from her hands."  I looked and could see it with my own eyes.  See laid hands on a sick woman and received healing.   I must repent of my unbelief and skepticism.  This girl seemed like one of the most introverted and timid I’ve ever met.  Here with my own eyes I see the Lord manifesting something I don’t understand through her.

O Lord help my unbelief.

7 Key Points to Consider

ONE. What’s the purpose?

Often people will doubt that a manifestation is a result of God moving because they can’t connect the dots. They can’t answer the “why?” What benefit does the gold dust have?

I personally think we’re overcomplicating this issue. Most realities that we experience in life don’t have a purpose, they just are.

What is the purpose of smoke at a campfire?

What’s the purpose of the smell of spring rain?

What’s the purpose of the sound of thunder?

There is no real purpose. They are simply evidences of fire, of rain and of lightning.

Gold dust, for example, is an evidence of God manifesting in glory in a certain location. That’s all.

But, that’s really not all. We know that evidences result in some pretty remarkable things—people get radically saved as they see God move!

Acts 2:43 (NIV) 43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:47 (NIV) 47 ..And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

TWO. Should we ignore or deny what is clearly happening?

I’ll admit, when I hear from people who doubt that what we are reporting is true, my first reaction is, “I’m not sure what to do with your skepticism. I saw it happen.”

I mean, if it’s happening right there in front of us, with many witnesses, should we ignore it? Deny it?

If we allow unbelief or skepticism violate the clear evidence of God’s glory we are in a lot of trouble. God’s manifest presence will be gone that fast.

We also have to be careful not to jump to conclusions that are fueled by unbelief when we hear of God moving unusually somewhere.

Mark 16:14 (ESV) 14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen.

Matthew 13:57-58 (ESV) 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.” 58 And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.

Someone sent me this message today on Facebook. He couldn’t deny God’s presence or his manifestation:

Back in 2009, I had oil appearing to flow from my hands and gold dust appearing all over me. Most of the time this happened in my home. People were amazed when they visited my home…mostly because of the presence, NOT the manifestations. Well, I haven’t had those happen in years, but I got so excited when I read your recent posts… not because of the manifestations, but because of the presence…and because of what’s coming to you NEXT!"

THREE. Why do we immediately presume unusual signs and wonders are the work of Satan?

This point is more serious than we might realize. Yes, its absolutely true that Satan will deceive people through deceptive signs and wonders.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 (ESV) 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Note that this passage emphasizes that it’s specifically those who are perishing, those who don’t love truth, who will be deceived. Those of us in love with Jesus should not be fearful or nervous when signs and wonders start happening!

If we are deeply in love with Jesus, we will easily identify the lover of our souls when he’s in the room. The anointing will overwhelming, and when the signs and wonders follow, there can be no denying that it’s God himself who’s manifesting.

The reason this point is very serious is because of the one sin that is unforgivable—blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Those in the suspicion driven heresy hunter movement often creep very close to the edge of this sin—and certainly some have gone over that edge.

Mark 3:28-30 (ESV) 28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30 for they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Wow. That is sobering. The fear of God should rock us. They were saying Jesus was manifesting demonic power when in fact, of course, he was demonstrating the power of God.

FOUR. Should we not be more concerned when miracles aren’t happening?

Mark 16:17-18 (NIV) 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Is it possible that we have churches full of unbelievers? I’m not talking about those who haven’t repeated a sinner’s prayer. I’m talking about church goers who confess Jesus Christ as Lord. Yet, their unbelief results in no supernatural power in their lives. No demons driven out. No healings.

The expected atmosphere for a Christian church is one of signs, wonders and miracles. They are the result of belief. It’s that simple. Check it out:

John 14:11-12 (NIV) 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

It seems to me that a more accurate conclusion would be that the enemy is the key influencer when we don’t see signs, wonders and miracles. Demonic and humanistic conditioning results in unbelief. Unbelief ensures nothing miraculous will happen at all.

FIVE. The Bible doesn’t contain a record of every manifestation or Kingdom activity.

A lot of people get tripped up here.

Scrutiny causes them to shun anything unless they can validate it through a duplicate situation recorded in scripture.

The question shouldn’t be limited to, “Is this exact manifestation recorded in the Bible?” The question should actually be, “Does this manifestation line up with the truth of scripture, and is there anything in the Bible that would forbid or shoot down what we are experiencing?”

John 21:25 (NIV) 25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Have you considered that some of what is happening might be a part of what Jesus did that wasn’t contained in scripture? Have you also considered, based on John 14:12 that we are to do MORE than what Jesus did?

Take ten minutes and consider everything in our Christian culture that isn’t found in scripture. Do you really want to throw it all out?

You’ll have to stop using the word Trinity. There will be no celebration of birthdays, Christmas or Easter. We would be forbidden from tapping our toes during worship. There would be no electric guitars or saxophones in worship. The only valid spiritual dreams and visions would be those that are exact duplicates of dreams and visions in scripture.

God giving specific, personal answers to prayer would not be allowed, unless God also revealed that in scripture (He’d have to mention the exact city he wants you to live in and the exact place he wants you to work in the Bible, for example.)

What about paid children’s pastors? Media ministry pastors? Television ministry? Wearing crosses around our necks? Nope.

SIX. What about all that the Bible does contain that we aren’t experiencing?

An even easier way to address the issue raised in the previous point is this: Why aren’t we experiencing all of the dramatic signs and wonders that are in the Bible?

Cover to cover we see wild and bizarre manifestations and miracles of God.

A pillar of fire, a cloud, parting of waters, blind eyes opened, the creator, walking on water, manna, a burning bush, angelic encounters, trances, Third Heaven encounters, and on and on and on.

I believe we must repent for living below the bar of supernatural manifestation in our churches and have an increased expectancy for the unusual, strange and overwhelming manifestation of God today.

SEVEN. The Bereans weren’t skeptics.

There’s a Pharisaical spirit in a growing group of people that are masking themselves as Bereans.

The Bereans weren’t skeptical. They weren’t suspicious. They weren’t nervous. They weren’t divisive.

People often say that the Bereans were marked by their study of scripture—and that study was to police any activity that would violate the Word of God. People presume they were self-appointed protectors and “officers of the law.”

Most common day, self-described Bereans are filled with unbelief, suspicion, doubt and a spirit of division that’s used against anybody that threatens their personal, narrow interpretation of Scripture.

Those people are not Bereans, not by a long shot. Many of them venture very close to the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Others are simply arrogant and mean spirited. Others are simply deceived. In fact, they could better be defined as Thessalonians.

Let’s look:

Acts 17:1-9 (NIV) 1 When they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2 As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said. 4 Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women. 5 But the Jews were jealous; so they rounded up some bad characters from the marketplace, formed a mob and started a riot in the city. They rushed to Jason’s house in search of Paul and Silas in order to bring them out to the crowd. 6 But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some other brothers before the city officials, shouting: "These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here, 7 and Jason has welcomed them into his house. They are all defying Caesar’s decrees, saying that there is another king, one called Jesus." 8 When they heard this, the crowd and the city officials were thrown into turmoil. 9 Then they made Jason and the others post bond and let them go.

The Thessalonians heard Paul talking about Jesus and about the supernatural miracle of resurrection from the dead. This was a problem for the Jews. It bothered their theology. They then adopted a spirit of accusation (a demonic spiritual gift) and declared that the message was not of God and that they were causing trouble.

So, the moved on to Berea. Here we find true friends of God and people who were expectant, open to a fresh move:

Acts 17:10-13 (NIV) 10 As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 Many of the Jews believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men. 13 When the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea, they went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up.

Why were the Bereans counted as more noble? Because they received the message with great eagerness! They excitedly, expectantly searched the scriptures for confirmation. They were joyous, not suspicious. Not guarded. Not nervous.

So, a great question is this: When we hear of God moving in a new way, will we be like the Thessalonians who were threatened and full of doubt or like the child-like Bereans who excitedly received the Good News?

New XPmedia video : 7 Common Excuses That Threaten Revival

There are over 19,000 cities in America—and not one of them is experiencing the biblical normalcy of revival.

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You can read the original article here: http://johnburton.net/2012/01/08/seven-common-personal-excuses-that-legitimately-threaten-revival/

Then, head over to XPmedia and watch the video here: http://www.xpmedia.com/HFKWnY8zVbGd

Here are the seven personal excuses that threaten revival in our nation that I discuss in the article and the video:

  1. Inflexible Focuses
  2. Family
  3. Time & Energy
  4. Church Conflicts
  5. I’ll Wait and See
  6. I Don’t Fit In
  7. I Don’t Want To

Church Leadership: Doctrine and theological differences: How to stay unified and true to the vision of the church

Church Leadership: Can we stay unified when there are core doctrinal differences in the church?

imageI originally shared this with my Revival Church senior staff. I’ve communicated what I’m about to share with my various ministries throughout the years, and it’s been incredibly helpful to keep us on track toward revival.

I then realized that this would benefit not only my senior staff, but the greater body of Believers. This will help senior leaders and also those in the body who might may struggle with differing doctrines and focuses.

For example, IHOP and Bethel have some foundational theological differences, mostly surrounding eschatology, yet they remain great and close friends in the mission of Kingdom advance. We should all have the same heart and spirit within us.

Bill Johnson mentioned a key difference between prior church generations and what God’s doing now. We used to gather around doctrines. Movements launched around people adhering to same Christian theologies. Now, movements are launching as people gather around fathers and apostolic leaders who have a bold Kingdom vision and a mission. That is right on. Brilliant.

Here’s what I sent to my second tier of leaders at Revival Church last week:


Hi Team!

I shared this with the senior leadership team recently and wanted to also get it in front of the rest of our amazing team! This will help you navigate through challenges with differences of vision and doctrine that arise as you meet and lead people in the church.

I’ve always shared this at various times in my ministries, but this is the first time I’ve done so at Revival Church:

  • As our church grows, we will see MANY differing doctrines in our camp. I’ve been around this mountain more times that I can count.
  • I’ve had Calvinists demand I study with them and change the official position of the church in favor of their doctrine.
  • I’ve had strong grace doctrine folks want us to change our position.
  • I had a guy hand me a huge manuscript he wrote that details why apostolic ministry is no longer for today and didn’t approve of my focus on it in the church.
  • I’ve had anti-spiritual warfare people share their positions. Anti-manifestation people shared theirs. Others don’t believe Christians can be demonized. Others are pre-trib, others post-trib, others KJV only, etc.
  • Others have shared their critiques regarding our vision, ministry emphasis, over-emphasis on one thing, under-emphasis on another, and on and on and on.

The emails I’ve received over the last 21 years could fill a book!

In every one of the above situations I listened openly and honored them in their personal pursuits, but I did not allow them to distract my primary focus. I did not allow them to compromise the mission we were on. They may not have realized it, but I had already processed through the positions they hold to and had made my doctrinal and ministry decision long ago. 

I love this principle:

Someone once said, "I don’t have to attend every argument I’m invited to."

We as leaders have to use great caution and wisdom in the way we handle such matters. Confusion, distraction, division and disunity can creep in overnight if we aren’t careful.

"In Essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love."

This is a key principle for us. The essentials, or the absolutes of scripture, are the classic, foundational Christian doctrines that cannot be violated. If one were to not adhere to an essential, an absolute, then that person would not be a Christian. For example, it’s mandatory for salvation that we agree that Jesus is God. However it’s not mandatory for salvation that we agree in the pre-tribulation rapture of the church. One is an absolute, or an essential, and one is not.

With that in mind, here are the protocols that we must adhere to at Revival Church and theLab. This has been our standard everywhere we’ve been in ministry and it will help us here as well:

  • Have clarity on what the doctrinal positions of Revival Church are and always commit to unity regarding them.
  • While it’s expected that leaders will hold to differing positions at times (non-absolutes), those positions must not be communicated to others in the church. A good way to handle this situation is: If someone asks you what your opinion on the end times is, for example, you could respond, "The church’s position on this is Apostolic Premillennialism and I support them fully." Now, I also value your personal processing through such situations. It’s healthy to do so. If you want to discuss your position with me one-on-one, I’d love to do that at any time.
  • Don’t ever teach on a topic that is contrary to the position of the church.
  • Always have the heart of a protector over senior leadership and the doctrines and vision of the church by voicing support and unity even if your personal doctrines/vision differ.
  • If you want to discuss differing viewpoints, always approach me first, and then leave it to me to invite other leaders/people into the discussion if I feel led.

You’ll notice that I rarely request feedback among leaders on doctrinal opinions, especially in a group or public setting. That’s intentional for the sake of unity. I already know that we’ll differ doctrinally. I often tell people, "The debate between Calvinism and Arminanism (for example) is not a new one. I don’t have time to recreate that wheel of debate. Research the debated positions online yourself. I adhere to the Arminian position." I don’t let that distraction derail me.

Titus 3:9- But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.

Let’s commit to this so we don’t have splinter movements within the body.

It’s better to be unified yet disagreed on non-absolutes of scripture than it is to be divided in our search of affirmation of our biblical positions.

John 17:20-21 (ESV) 20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Philippians 2:1-3 (ESV) 1 So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, 2 complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. 3 Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

Ephesians 2:19 (ESV) 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

UNITY OF VISION

While we can all hold to differing non-absolutes of scripture, this doesn’t mean that we won’t be running in a specific direction on a specific track here at Revival Church. We honor those who have differing positions, but we also honor the clear vision and mandate that God has given us as a body. That vision and mandate does include a specific doctrinal focus and position.

For example, we are a church that openly encourages the practice of praying in tongues. We love and honor those who don’t pray in tongues, yet we aren’t going to eliminate our focus on the gifts for their sake. We know we will run with a certain tribe of people, and that’s OK. That vision is worth protecting.

Please always approach me with any teaching topics that you’d like to present in the church before you teach them. With new people coming in it can be easy for new leaders to presume I’m in agreement with something when I actually am not. A simple bulleted outline is all I need, and I trust you have clarity on the vision of the church and won’t teach in opposition to that.

There’s no single stream that I’m 100% in agreement with (that would be weird!)… some of IHOP I agree with, some I don’t. Some of Bethel I agree with, some I don’t. Some of the Word of Faith I agree with, some I don’t. Some Baptist doctrine I agree with, some I don’t. And on and on!

Here’s a great article on how to differentiate between absolutes and non-absolutes of scripture. I gleaned it from Ted Haggard in his book Primary Purpose:

When discussing ministry doctrines, styles and focuses, it’s important that we identify exactly where the particular topic rests within the whole spectrum.  Let me explain.  I believe there are several different levels in which we can examine structure or style of ministry.  Most church bickering and splits would be eliminated if we understood this.  Unity would thrive and the Great Commission would be more quickly achievable.  Watch the progression from Absolutes of scripture to Interpretations and beyond:

  • ‘Absolutes’- Every Christian church must agree on the absolutes. If a church doesn’t accept an absolute, it would certainly not be considered Christian.  Absolutes include the fact that Jesus is God, he rose from the dead, salvation only comes through him, there is one true God, Jesus is coming again, sin separates us from eternal life, etc.  We can never sacrifice an absolute.  We must never waiver from our position here.  Churches that accept the absolutes can get together for prayer, fellowship, etc.   In Colorado Springs we had the nations largest National Day of Prayer event.  Thousands got together to pray for our city in a downtown park.  We all agreed on the absolutes.Example of a violation of an absolute:  An Arlington, Virginia, minister said, “We have closed our minds to such trivial considerations as the question of the resurrection of Christ. If you fundamentalists wish to believe that nonsense, we have no objections, but we have more important things to preach than the presence or absence of an empty tomb 20 centuries old.”
  • ‘Interpretations’- Next on the list, resting on the foundation of absolutes, are interpretations.  These are scriptures, that we form opinions or sometimes even doctrines on.  They are always taken within the context of the passage.  They are fairly focused ideas, but since they are interpretations, there can sometimes be disagreement.  The problem is when we allow this disagreement divide the church.  Examples of interpretations can be- everybody is meant to speak in tongues, pre-trib rapture, etc.  Since these aren’t absolutes, it’s ok to disagree.  It’s tragic when people deem certain movements and people as ‘false’ because they disagree with them over interpretation.
  • ‘Deductions’- Deductions are broader and more general than interpretations.  You can arrive at a deduction when you read a larger portion of several passages of scripture.  Doctrines should never be made on deduction alone, but there is much liberty to allow your ministry to include deductions as long as they agree with and enhance the absolutes.  As with interpretations, it’s certainly negative to identify deductions as un-biblical when they in fact don’t contradict an absolute.
  • ‘Subjective Opinions’- Broader still, subjective opinions are arrived at by individuals that experience certain insight when searching the scriptures coupled with living out what they find.  Of course, subjective opinions must always agree with absolutes and must not contradict scripture or they must be thrown out.  Subjective opinions my include teaching that hymns are more effective than contemporary worship or that we should dress like the culture that we are trying to minister and relate to them on their level.  This is where ministry style can have a lot of freedom to experiment by trial and error.  Discovering what works best in your situation at this level should never be accepted as absolute truth, or even as a deduction.
  • ‘Personal Preferences’- Personal preferences may have less to do with controversial scriptural matters and more to do with personality, likes and dislikes.  For example, a minister may prefer to have a robed choir every Sunday while another may prefer a single barefoot guitar playing worship leader straight out of the 70’s.  Another example would be to take tithes and offerings by passing a plate rather than having the congregation bring the tithe to the front of the sanctuary and lay it on the altar.  The Bible is usually silent on such preferences.
  • ‘Feelings’- Feelings would include simply what we like and don’t like.  Can you believe there have been church splits on this level??!  What color the carpet, or whether to use hymnals or a video projector has more to do with atmosphere than with anything else.
  • ‘Cultural Norms’- This simply has to do with the style and system of a particular culture.  For example, you may find loud ‘Amen’s!’ in an Afro-American church while it may be more subdued in another style of church.  You will also find a lot of cultural difference between different denominations and different socio-economic classes.  If every church were a hooting and hollering roller coaster ride, then there would be a large segment of society that would not be reached, and vice versa.

Sometimes scripture doesn’t demand something be done a certain way.  If we all focus on the absolutes and resist creating divisions based on lower levels, we will certainly have a powerful army ready and equipped to accomplish the Great Commission.  Someone once said, "I don’t have to attend every argument I’m invited to."

Understand, I am all for discussion.  Iron sharpens iron.  But sometimes, the scripture remains silent or vague.  As long as we do everything we can to create healthy churches, we have a lot of freedom to work it many different ways.

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